Hey SE

You did far more than I would have in the same situation. Generally I
will not write "Reported Missing". Instead I write "Could not Find".
If we get several other "could not find" reports or have another local
letterboxer verify then it gets deleted.

We have the same problems with our long distance letterboxes and even
some folks that don't agree with planting long distance boxes should
understand that without those letterboxes being seeded in those
letterbox barren regions there would be nothing for a brand new
letterboxer to find. Plus it is always nice for local boxers when they
are left a gift from a visiting letterboxer. You can head out west to
Kernville and leave as many as you like!!!!!!

I think the real bottom line is that some letterboxers (new?)think that
it is their right to find every letterbox they search for.

It takes some seasoning for the realization that letterboxing is but a
slice of life, and you don't always get what you want.

Don

, I looked at the online
> log and it showed the last person put "attempted", which made me
> realize the box was probably missing, even though this was the first
> report I had received, so I updated the clues.
>

Silver Eagle doesn't need me defending him, but I just want to add
that thanks to geographical proximity, I've found a lot of SE boxes.

The locations he chooses are usually quite outstanding and almost
always worth the journey, even if the box itself is missing.

That said, one of my favorite SE boxes happens to be in San Diego,
more than 1400 miles away from both of us. Even halfway across the
country, he led me to a really neat spot.

This is a game that requires both planters and finders. Each side
needs to grant the other a little leeway to make it work. Planters
maintain and update the best they can. There is simply no guarantee
that the box is going to be there, and if you (not any you
specifically, but the general "you" out there) can't handle that, this
is frankly not the right hobby for your tastes. Try benchmarking or
markeroni. Those things aren't going anywhere.

dewberry


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle" wrote:
>
> As Don said, I'm shocked and annoyed that my private email has gone
> public, and I now feel like I must comment on it, especially since
> there is more than meets the eye.
>
> The original note to me did not specify the box name, just that it
> was in an Arboretum, so the first thing I had to do was determine
> which of my 200+ boxes it could be. I didn't even know which state
> to start in. When I finally figured it out, I looked at the online
> log and it showed the last person put "attempted", which made me
> realize the box was probably missing, even though this was the first
> report I had received, so I updated the clues.
>
> This would have been the end of it, but the next note I received
> basically accused me of being irresponsible for placing a box so far
> away from where I live and not being able to care for it. They
> seemed to think that I would have known the box was missing before
> anyone reported it if I lived there and could have saved them the
> trouble of looking for it. The note was not pleasant.
>
> I know some people don't think boxes should be placed beyond the
> reach of placers to maintain, but when you live in a place as big as
> TX, you get used to doing just that. So far it has not been a
> problem since most letterboxers are great people and we help each
> other out by replacing things for each other. If that doesn't
> happen, I update my clues as soon as I'm reasonably sure the box is
> missing. As I said in my response to the latest note: You should be
> glad people place boxes for you to find no matter where they are from.
>
> Silver Eagle
>
> P.S. Any further discussion between us should be private since I
> don't want to get into a "he said, she said" argument.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote:
> >
> > I spent a day searching for the Sam Adams Beer LB. It was not
> there as
> > directions stated (in Arnold Arboridium) so I write to the person
> who
> > placed it in Boston. Asking him to remove it from the site or say
> > missing . What can we do? This is the reply:
> >
> >
> > "assume you are talking about Sam Adams Beer LB? Sounds like the
> > maintenance
> > crew found it and threw it away. Sorry you did not get it and I
> don't
> > live
> > there so can't replace, but thanks for letting me know."
> >
>

I maintain that only the placer can determine whether a letterbox is missing. I'm in B.C., and we had visitors here from Ontario (Norasta) who placed a couple of amazing boxes. Someone went to find one of them, and reported it missing. It wasn't missing at all. It was exactly where the clues said it should be... exaclty where Zara and I found it.

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Hi Silver,

I happen to live near the Boston area. If you like I can go look for the box and if it happens to be missing I can let you know and if you want to send a replacement I will be more than happy to help you.


-Barrudaki

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Silver Eagle"
> As Don said, I'm shocked and annoyed that my private email has gone
> public, and I now feel like I must comment on it, especially since
> there is more than meets the eye.
>
> The original note to me did not specify the box name, just that it
> was in an Arboretum, so the first thing I had to do was determine
> which of my 200+ boxes it could be. I didn't even know which state
> to start in. When I finally figured it out, I looked at the online
> log and it showed the last person put "attempted", which made me
> realize the box was probably missing, even though this was the first
> report I had received, so I updated the clues.
>
> This would have been the end of it, but the next note I received
> basically accused me of being irresponsible for placing a box so far
> away from where I live and not being able to care for it. They
> seemed to think that I would have known the box was missing before
> anyone reported it if I lived there and could have saved them the
> trouble of looking for it. The note was not pleasant.
>
> I know some people don't think boxes should be placed beyond the
> reach of placers to maintain, but when you live in a place as big as
> TX, you get used to doing just that. So far it has not been a
> problem since most letterboxers are great people and we help each
> other out by replacing things for each other. If that doesn't
> happen, I update my clues as soon as I'm reasonably sure the box is
> missing. As I said in my response to the latest note: You should be
> glad people place boxes for you to find no matter where they are from.
>
> Silver Eagle
>
> P.S. Any further discussion between us should be private since I
> don't want to get into a "he said, she said" argument.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote:
> >
> > I spent a day searching for the Sam Adams Beer LB. It was not
> there as
> > directions stated (in Arnold Arboridium) so I write to the person
> who
> > placed it in Boston. Asking him to remove it from the site or say
> > missing . What can we do? This is the reply:
> >
> >
> > "assume you are talking about Sam Adams Beer LB? Sounds like the
> > maintenance
> > crew found it and threw it away. Sorry you did not get it and I
> don't
> > live
> > there so can't replace, but thanks for letting me know."
> >
>
>
>




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Sometimes even the placer can't determine it. =) My daughter's original box went missing. and months later just as I was getting ready to replace it, a friend of mine found it hidden on the other side of the trail! (We guessed someone had found it out in the open & rehidden it w/out knowing where it should go.)

Sheba

CSB wrote:
I maintain that only the placer can determine whether a letterbox is missing. I'm in B.C., and we had visitors here from Ontario (Norasta) who placed a couple of amazing boxes. Someone went to find one of them, and reported it missing. It wasn't missing at all. It was exactly where the clues said it should be... exaclty where Zara and I found it.




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gwendontoo wrote:
>
> I think the real bottom line is that some letterboxers (new?)think that
> it is their right to find every letterbox they search for.
>
> It takes some seasoning for the realization that letterboxing is but a
> slice of life, and you don't always get what you want.
>
> Don
>
>


I think that about sums it up in this case. A little disappointment
never hurts anyone either, it is a good life lesson.

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

Bring back the rotory phone so we don't have to press one for English

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, CSB wrote:
>> I maintain that only the placer can determine whether a letterbox
is missing.

I agree!

I am saddened at what seems like finders dictating to placers what
they need to do (ie. retire a box, remove clues, etc).

If you find the box, great! If you don't find the box, oh well.
No one guarantees anything in this game, nor should they, just as in
life.

Life is like a box of chocolates- you never know what you will get.

I'm glad to see most people agree with Silver Eagle's actions on this
matter, and that y'all agree that placing boxes is not a limited-area
opportunity. I have boxes in multiple states, and have found most
local people often offer to help out a box if it is in trouble. I
know in Texas we don't seem to have these problems, and hope this is
only a newbie with no tact. I have to say, back stabbing post like
this in the past are the reason I have not participated on the
national talk list for years, finding the Texas talk list much more
civil and enjoyable. Most of your comments have restored my interest
in logging on more in the near future!

Baby Bear - P270 F1314 X175

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
>
> As Don said, I'm shocked and annoyed that my private email has gone
> public, and I now feel like I must comment on it, especially since
> there is more than meets the eye.
>
> The original note to me did not specify the box name, just that it
> was in an Arboretum, so the first thing I had to do was determine
> which of my 200+ boxes it could be. I didn't even know which state
> to start in. When I finally figured it out, I looked at the online
> log and it showed the last person put "attempted", which made me
> realize the box was probably missing, even though this was the
first
> report I had received, so I updated the clues.
>
> This would have been the end of it, but the next note I received
> basically accused me of being irresponsible for placing a box so
far
> away from where I live and not being able to care for it. They
> seemed to think that I would have known the box was missing before
> anyone reported it if I lived there and could have saved them the
> trouble of looking for it. The note was not pleasant.
>
> I know some people don't think boxes should be placed beyond the
> reach of placers to maintain, but when you live in a place as big
as
> TX, you get used to doing just that. So far it has not been a
> problem since most letterboxers are great people and we help each
> other out by replacing things for each other. If that doesn't
> happen, I update my clues as soon as I'm reasonably sure the box is
> missing. As I said in my response to the latest note: You should
be
> glad people place boxes for you to find no matter where they are
from.
>
> Silver Eagle
>
> P.S. Any further discussion between us should be private since I
> don't want to get into a "he said, she said" argument.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote:
> >
> > I spent a day searching for the Sam Adams Beer LB. It was not
> there as
> > directions stated (in Arnold Arboridium) so I write to the
person
> who
> > placed it in Boston. Asking him to remove it from the site or say
> > missing . What can we do? This is the reply:
> >
> >
> > "assume you are talking about Sam Adams Beer LB? Sounds like the
> > maintenance
> > crew found it and threw it away. Sorry you did not get it and I
> don't
> > live
> > there so can't replace, but thanks for letting me know."
> >
>

Actually, if this was going to be on a list at all, it probably should have
been on the regional list.

Personally, I think boxes placed by folks outside the area can be great.
Even in areas that do have quite a few boxes already, boxes from
"out-of-towners" can give boxers a chance to see someone else's work and
maybe take away some new ideas for the future.

It can be a problem if a box is possibly missing, I would suppose.

One thing that could be asked on the regional list for wherever that box is
located is to see if anyone who's already found the box is close enough to
go check it out, since they already know where it's supposed to be. But I
think this would meet with more success on the regional list than on the
national list.

Another idea is to maybe put it in the clues that the placer is from out of
the area, so the finder knows that they'll be "taking their chances" more
than usual. But that's certainly not required -- personally, I wouldn't
even consider it rude not to do it.

But it's one of those "oh well" moments. We're headed out to Starved Rock
in Utica, IL for a couple of days and some of the boxes listed have a
placement date of 2004, which is awhile ago. I'm kinda figurin' that we
might have some "oh well" moments. :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Baby Bear
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Sam Adams letterbox - The Rest Of The Story


I'm glad to see most people agree with Silver Eagle's actions on this
matter, and that y'all agree that placing boxes is not a limited-area
opportunity. I have boxes in multiple states, and have found most
local people often offer to help out a box if it is in trouble. I
know in Texas we don't seem to have these problems, and hope this is
only a newbie with no tact. I have to say, back stabbing post like
this in the past are the reason I have not participated on the
national talk list for years, finding the Texas talk list much more
civil and enjoyable. Most of your comments have restored my interest
in logging on more in the near future!

Baby Bear - P270 F1314 X175

--Yes, and there is always my Specific Gravity box, I placed it and have yet to refind it
without help. Malt beverage might have something to do with that.

- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Coe wrote:
>
> Sometimes even the placer can't determine it. =) My daughter's original box went
missing. and months later just as I was getting ready to replace it, a friend of mine found
it hidden on the other side of the trail! (We guessed someone had found it out in the open
& rehidden it w/out knowing where it should go.)
>
> Sheba
>
> CSB wrote:
> I maintain that only the placer can determine whether a letterbox is missing. I'm in B.C.,
and we had visitors here from Ontario (Norasta) who placed a couple of amazing boxes.
Someone went to find one of them, and reported it missing. It wasn't missing at all. It was
exactly where the clues said it should be... exaclty where Zara and I found it.
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

And so we bring this discussion full circle - right back to beer!!!



On 10/16/07, mizscarlet731 wrote:
>
> --Yes, and there is always my Specific Gravity box, I placed it and have
> yet to refind it
> without help. Malt beverage might have something to do with that.
>
> - In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> Suzanne Coe wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes even the placer can't determine it. =) My daughter's original
> box went
> missing. and months later just as I was getting ready to replace it, a
> friend of mine found
> it hidden on the other side of the trail! (We guessed someone had found it
> out in the open
> & rehidden it w/out knowing where it should go.)
> >
> > Sheba
> >
> > CSB wrote:
> > I maintain that only the placer can determine whether a letterbox is
> missing. I'm in B.C.,
> and we had visitors here from Ontario (Norasta) who placed a couple of
> amazing boxes.
> Someone went to find one of them, and reported it missing. It wasn't
> missing at all. It was
> exactly where the clues said it should be... exaclty where Zara and I
> found it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo!
> Autos.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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cheers!

Barefoot Lucy wrote: And so we bring this discussion full circle - right back to beer!!!



On 10/16/07, mizscarlet731 wrote:
>
> --Yes, and there is always my Specific Gravity box, I placed it and have
> yet to refind it
> without help. Malt beverage might have something to do with that.
>
> - In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> Suzanne Coe wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes even the placer can't determine it. =) My daughter's original
> box went
> missing. and months later just as I was getting ready to replace it, a
> friend of mine found
> it hidden on the other side of the trail! (We guessed someone had found it
> out in the open
> & rehidden it w/out knowing where it should go.)
> >
> > Sheba
> >
> > CSB wrote:
> > I maintain that only the placer can determine whether a letterbox is
> missing. I'm in B.C.,
> and we had visitors here from Ontario (Norasta) who placed a couple of
> amazing boxes.
> Someone went to find one of them, and reported it missing. It wasn't
> missing at all. It was
> exactly where the clues said it should be... exaclty where Zara and I
> found it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo!
> Autos.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mizscarlet731
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:50 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Sam Adams letterbox - The Rest Of The Story


--Yes, and there is always my Specific Gravity box, I placed it and have yet
to refind it
without help. Malt beverage might have something to do with that.

====================================

Hey, at least you have an excuse.

Every time I try to go & check on my "Two Brothers & A Sheriff" box, I have
to call the Cook County Forest Preserve office, get hold of the guy who
handles their historical research department, and he has to remind me of
just where the starting point is to finding my box. Once I've got the
starting point, it all comes together & makes sense, but thankfully, he's a
very sweet and patient guy about getting me to the starting point. :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

ok ill probally be sorry for asking but what os makaroni and benchmarking? just curious
mamitat

Markeroni is visiting historical markers. People log their visits,
like they do letterbox finds (sometimes even accompanied by a little
mascot) See here:

http://www.markeroni.com/

Benchmarking is finding the NGS survey markers (and a few other
landmarks) called benchmarks. See here:

http://www.geocaching.com/mark/

I don't really do either of these, but I have a letterboxing friend who
likes these activities--that's how I know of them.

dewberry

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "TATTOOLDY" wrote:
>
> ok ill probally be sorry for asking but what os makaroni and
benchmarking? just curious
> mamitat
>